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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by CheesedogTheFirst on Sat May 25, 2013 3:07 am

If you can't do regular squats right now, can you do snatch grip deadlifts or deficit deadlifts? Pistol progressions? Front squats or zercher squats? I'm just asking because you need some heavy leg and posterior chain work to make this work.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by squatty on Sat May 25, 2013 7:55 am

Nah I can't bend my knees too much without pain yet.
Maybe I will heal sooner on juice and able to squat in a week or two?
I'm covering the posterior chain by rows and deadlifts, but legs are being left behind here. I will look like the chicken legged captain upperbody if I don't squat.
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Post by itlives on Sat May 25, 2013 9:32 am

Just a little thing here but if you can deadlift, can you do calf raises? It will engage the connective tissues on the lower knee joint ?
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Post by squatty on Sat May 25, 2013 11:02 am

Yes I can do calf raises okay too. I can't squat due to bone pain.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by squatty on Sat May 25, 2013 1:11 pm

EZ BENT ROW: 5x35kg, 3x8x45kg
2 min rests

KROC ROW:
R: 30x15kg
L: 27x15kg

KNUCKLE PUSHUP: 4x10
1 min rests

DIAMOND: 4x5
1 min rests

BEHIND THE BACK SHRUG:
30x45kg

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Wrist and neck =>> to be done after dinner
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Post by squatty on Sat May 25, 2013 2:23 pm

Just didn't have the will power to end the session, wanted to train endlessly, went and did lots of back bridging, heavy farmer walks, neck work, planks, all the cool and fun exercises. still not satisfied, but I need to stop for bulking to happen.
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Post by squatty on Mon May 27, 2013 5:11 am

Can't withstand that frequency,
Got to incorporate rest days.
Went to deadlift today, 100kg for 3 reps was nearly snapping my back.
Got to reduce quantity to allow quality to rise.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by squatty on Mon May 27, 2013 5:37 am

Seriously I'm really disappointed...
Looks like I found the most dangerous side effect of roids, "disappointment"!

I will never do another cycle after this one, and will train less frequently on this one to avoid stalling. stalling on juice is really depressing.
The only reason I continue to finish this first and last cycle is to benefit from the "more muscle cell nuclei" stuff, to better recover later in my life.

Then will (actually It's been 4 days since I started it lol) stop mastvrbating forever, and train naturally like before.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by Iliander on Mon May 27, 2013 5:44 am

:up:
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by itlives on Mon May 27, 2013 9:17 am

I think you're mind is playing with you right now. Once you level out, things will be more "natural".
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by Rix on Mon May 27, 2013 9:26 am

My p.e teachers told me that the worse things Roids will do to you is disappoint you and if that happens you may/could go into a depressive state because of it and then it could ruin your life or just mess with your head. Obviously extreme cases but it makes sense.

Squatty mate, just read about your story, feel for ya man, hope everything is on the mend. All im saying is train that grip and neck up, the two things that knock out and stop you from being knocked out. Learn to Brawl, headbutt and cow punch. And carry a padlock, chain or this Wrist roller.

I hate race conflicts and dont wish anything like what you went through Squatty on anyone. Specially with whats happened in England recently.

 


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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by squatty on Mon May 27, 2013 1:04 pm

Guys, dbol made me feel awesome... until today that I feel totally crap.
I woke up today sore in everywhere, especially I have severe neck/entire back/ and forearm DOMS. oh the forearm DOMS is killing me, I dreamed about forearm DOMS's before I had a wrist roller, now my dream has come true, and it is not pretty. I can't even two arm hang on a bar for a SECOND!
And on top of all that, I'm feeling very very tired mentally too, just want to sleep and sleep. and it is hurting my studies obviously. feel like a zombie.
Looks like someone got so excited after popping the "magic pill", that he burnt all his gas in three days...
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by itlives on Mon May 27, 2013 3:58 pm

Just go back and re-read your log. You should feel tired by now!
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by squatty on Mon May 27, 2013 5:28 pm

I decided to end the cycle, will not take any more dbol pills tomorrow.
Will start the PCT (clomid).
The fatigue is killing me.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by Rix on Mon May 27, 2013 5:41 pm

may aswell finish it to see where it goes, may just be getting use to it
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by CheesedogTheFirst on Mon May 27, 2013 5:59 pm

If you stop now you will have gained nothing from it. Take a hot epsom salt bath, do some stretching and mobility, get a good night's sleep and tomorrow will be better.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by Iliander on Mon May 27, 2013 6:04 pm

don't quit when it gets tough, this way you'll never manage to get anywhere with no fap

unless you're afraid of the consequences of continuing don't quit

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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by Fatman on Tue May 28, 2013 9:45 am

Disappointed because of the fatigue? It's not like steroids will make all fatigue go away forever. You need to build up to the added volume gradually. 'Roids are not a magical pill that you can take and immediately become unbreakable, they give you maybe a 10-15% boost, 20% if you're very responsive and it's your first time taking them.

Don't expect to go from training three times a week to training six times per week with the same intensity. And resist the urge to do too much when you're feeling strong. The deeper you dig the hole, the more effort it takes to fill it back up. Start with adding one extra day per week and do something light on that day.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by Dave on Tue May 28, 2013 3:02 pm

Another way to look at is this Squatty: If you stop now, you have not become too invested in it and you can still retain the much admired "natural" status. Like I said, I don't consider using steroids cheating, but I would never do it in a million years and I have a lot of respect for people who come by their abilities without them.
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by squatty on Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:43 pm

I stopped!

I won't include the weight of bars in my log anymore for ease of logging.

For this reason, let me write the weight of each equipment:
EZ BAR = 5kg
CURL BAR = 5kg
each DB HANDLE = 2kg
OLYMPIC BAR = 13kg

##############

EZ BENT ROW:
5x20kg, 4x25kg, 3x30kg
5x25kg, 4x30kg, 3x35kg

EZ REVERSE CURL:
7x10kg, 5x15kg, 3x20kg
7x15kg, 5x20kg, 3x25kg

#############

This means my today's last set of EZ BENT ROW was 3x(35+5)kg
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Post by Iliander on Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:21 pm

Wtf? That makes everything confusing... weight is weight, your logging looks incorrect now.

Anyway, good that you stopped!
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Post by squatty on Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:11 pm

a 5kg EZ bar makes me get confused easily as I fatigue, and I've caught myself mistaking 35kg with 30kg once, no one knows how many times I did similar mistakes and never caught it.
Only counting the weight of plates is easier.
Okay I will turn down the lazy-ness knob a bit :mrgreen: will re-add the weight of the bar to the paper log AFTER the training is over.
So let me edit the last log entry...

EDIT:
Oh no, if I do that, ugly things would happen again.
For example I look at my past entries to determine the weight needed for my current session, and if they contain the weight of the bar, it's easy to forget to subtract the weight of the bar to get the weight of plates to be used...
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Post by itlives on Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:19 pm

Squatty, just put in the total weight. Bar and all, if you pick it up, it's weight!
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Bravo!

Post by 98poundweakling on Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:24 pm

Glad you quit. 30 years from now you'll (still) be smiling...
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Post by Dave on Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:43 pm

Excellent Squatty!

By the way, can't you just use a basic template for your paper log that includes bar weights, say in a legend at the bottom, for easy reference? Type it up and print it or write it up and photocopy it, etc.? Then write something like:

EZ BENT ROW:
5x20+5kg, 4x25+5kg, 3x30+5kg

Then we'll all be able to follow your progress more easily and you won't have to fry your lazy brain with troublesome uh-rit-muh-tix. :razz:
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Post by squatty on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:50 am

Okidoki!

BTW I learned a tip about deadlifting recently, you might be naturally doing it, but I haven't ever, I always just pulled the weight up, now I read I must PUSH the weight up and BACK.
Back in as like I want to fall backwards, then the weight of bar prevents me from falling backwards, and thus the weight feels lighter to lift by this technique.
Sounds legit, got to see it in action and perfect the technique using lighter weights.
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Post by squatty on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:55 pm

Today picked up a pair of 22kg (20+2) dumbbells, and walked a 1000 meters distance in the neighborhood.
Had to put down the bells to rest 10 times during the duration.
Will go for two 23kg dumbbells once I finish walking the route using only 3 breaks.
I also shrugged (voluntarily keeping the traps flexed) the entire duration.
Forearms scream for mercy, fatigued beyond anything I've ever experienced, but traps didn't feel anything. or tomorrow I will get proved wrong?
That was one of the most fun workouts of my life!

BTW my computer suddenly went all dead.
Once I start it up, the "Energy Star" bios screen is messed up like when we inserted game cartridges into the NES or Sega Genesis console improperly and the screen displayed colorful crap.
I think the VGA is dead :pale:
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Post by squatty on Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:56 pm

EZ BENT ROW:
5x(20+5)kg, 4x(25+5)kg, 3x(30+5)kg
5x(25+5)kg, 4x(30+5)kg, 3x(35+5)kg
5x(30+5)kg, 4x(35+5)kg, 3x(40+5)kg

BB REVERSE CURL:
7x(11+5)kg, 5x(16+5)kg, 3x(21+5)kg
7x(16+5)kg, 5x(21+5)kg, 3x(26+5)kg

HANDHELD WRIST ROLLER:
6.5kg, 10 sets, done at full throttle speed
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Post by Dave on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:58 pm

squatty wrote:Today picked up a pair of 22kg (20+2) dumbbells, and walked a 1000 meters distance in the neighborhood.
Had to put down the bells to rest 10 times during the duration.
Will go for two 23kg dumbbells once I finish walking the route using only 3 breaks.
I also shrugged (voluntarily keeping the traps flexed) the entire duration.
Forearms scream for mercy, fatigued beyond anything I've ever experienced, but traps didn't feel anything. or tomorrow I will get proved wrong?
That was one of the most fun workouts of my life!

Awesome!!! Although I wouldn't recommend shrugging the whole time, but keeping the scaps retracted and depressed, chest up and chin tucked. Don't forget to keep your mouth closed and tongue on the roof of your mouth.

BTW my computer suddenly went all dead.
Once I start it up, the "Energy Star" bios screen is messed up like when we inserted game cartridges into the NES or Sega Genesis console improperly and the screen displayed colorful crap.
I think the VGA is dead :pale:

That sucks. Happened to me semi recently, and it's easy enough to fix, but a pain until you get the parts you need.
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Post by Journeyman on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:34 am

squatty wrote:Okidoki!

BTW I learned a tip about deadlifting recently, you might be naturally doing it, but I haven't ever, I always just pulled the weight up, now I read I must PUSH the weight up and BACK.
Back in as like I want to fall backwards, then the weight of bar prevents me from falling backwards, and thus the weight feels lighter to lift by this technique.
Sounds legit, got to see it in action and perfect the technique using lighter weights.

This can work... with some forms, not others. It's particularly good imagery with sumo. Though, if you carry it too far it *is* possible to actually fall over backwards with the weight on you.
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Post by squatty on Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:16 am

Dave wrote:
Awesome!!! Although I wouldn't recommend shrugging the whole time, but keeping the scaps retracted and depressed, chest up and chin tucked. Don't forget to keep your mouth closed and tongue on the roof of your mouth.

That sucks. Happened to me semi recently, and it's easy enough to fix, but a pain until you get the parts you need.
I meant the same thing, just couldn't express it as good as you :mrgreen:
I didn't actually "shrug", just kept tension in traps and retracted the scapulas, and avoided the load hanging off the joints instead of muscles.
And chest was up and proud.

But why is it necessary to tuck the chin, close the mouth, and push the tongue on the roof of mouth? please explain.

Journeyman wrote:
This can work... with some forms, not others. It's particularly good imagery with sumo. Though, if you carry it too far it *is* possible to actually fall over backwards with the weight on you.

A bar loaded with standard 20kg (45lbs) plates can pass over my body head to toe without hitting me if I lie on the floor (as in a floor press position).
I will be very careful though, and possibly "test fall" one time using only one wheel at each side of bar to see what it's like to fall backwards with a barbell in hand.
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Post by squatty on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:11 pm

DIAMOND PUSHUP:5, 5, 5, 5, 11
rest = 1 min

DB LATERAL RAISE:
(5+2)kg for 3 mins
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Post by squatty on Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:11 pm

BIGGEST BENEFIT OF NEIGHBORHOOD FARMER WALKS:
"You're not finished when you're tired, you're finished when you're done."
-n8tive-
Or else, you have to leave your bells for the urban scavengers and go home.
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Post by squatty on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:11 pm

BB BENT ROW:
5x(20+5)kg, 4x(25+5)kg, 3x(30+5)kg
5x(25+5)kg, 4x(30+5)kg, 3x(35+5)kg
5x(30+5)kg, 4x(35+5)kg, 3x(40+5)kg
repeat

BB REVERSE CURL:
7x(11+5)kg, 5x(16+5)kg, 3x(21+5)kg
7x(16+5)kg, 5x(21+5)kg, 3x(26+5)kg
repeat

#################

I'm skipping the reverse curl negatives, puts too much "zapping" stress on the tendons.
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Post by itlives on Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:38 pm

squatty wrote:BB BENT ROW:
5 X 25 kg, 4 x 30 kg, 3 X 35 kg
5 X 30 kg, 4 X 35 kg, 3 X 40 kg
5 X 40 kg, 4 X 40 kg, 3 X 45 kg
repeat

BB REVERSE CURL:
7x(11+5)kg, 5x(16+5)kg, 3x(21+5)kg
7x(16+5)kg, 5x(21+5)kg, 3x(26+5)kg
repeat


I changed the top part of your post. I think it cleans it up a bit. What do you think? Numbers are still the same.


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Post by squatty on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:04 pm

It might lead me into mistaking the weight needed for the next session.

DIAMOND PUSHUP: 5, 5, 5, 5, 14
rest = 1 min
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Post by itlives on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:19 pm

Oh I see, it's all about you in your log - :lol!:

Carry on soldier!
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Post by squatty on Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:04 pm

I'm too lazy to substract 5kg when reading my log, and add 5kg when writing my log, to every set :mrgreen:
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Post by Dave on Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:19 pm

Doing good work though "lazy" man, keep it up!
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Post by squatty on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:07 pm

1000 METERS FARMER'S WALK:
two 22kg (20+2) dumbbells
7 breaks! (3 less that last session)

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On the route, I passed 4 hooligans sitting on the sidewalk lawn smoking hookah, their job is staring at passing people, but specially since I was carrying two weirdness factors in my hands they stared at me even more, I stared them back straight to the eyes like lazer naturally instead of looking down, and they suddenly didn't stare at me anymore.
NoFap + pumped traps! I don't look for trouble by entering eye contact challenges, but this one came involuntarily, and I won all 4 of them easily.
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Post by itlives on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:31 pm

Good for you! Never show weakness in these situations.
What is in those hookah's? Is pot or hash or opium legal over there?
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Post by Iliander on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:36 pm

good!!! I love my eyes lol
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Re: In a relationship with POWER RACK

Post by tilles on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:38 pm

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What is in those hookah's? Is pot or hash or opium legal over there?

Aren't hookahs regular waterpipes/shishas ? I mean I own a pretty good one and i'm into that stuff...and you smoke special tobacco with it. Shisha smokers get really pissed if people ( what most of the people do) think you're doing something illegal just because you smoke a shisha etc ;)
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Post by squatty on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:48 pm

Yeah if I did look away at the pavement, the least I could get would be them shouting "Hey sissy workout boy watch your steps LOL" at my back. bombarding me verbally for the next 50 meters. the sharp nofap gaze prevented that for good!

Iran's drug laws were copied from US back in Shah era, and after the Islamic Revolution even more substances were added to the prohibition list (namely alcohol!).
Opium and opiates, and cannabis products are illegal since Shah era I've heard.
But I've heard medical opium was available with a special card and prescription from pharmacies back in Shah era, but not anymore after the revolution.

Anyway, that doesn't prevent people from using them, people smoke opium, hash, heroin and meth in public without fear.
These 4 were smoking hookah, most likely it was just tobacco, because smoking opium and hash with a hookah is not the fashion here (they use joints for hash, and hot charocals plus steel rod and wooden straw for opium)

I saw groups of young people sitting on the lawn of sidewalks with meth pipes in hand frequently too, like they are eating potato chips...

I was a user in the past too, just used ocassionally, it's no harm if you really keep it ocassionally, but then when I personally found it hard to keep it an "ocassion" I decided to give it up all together. and stopped cold turkey.

It doesn't takes being an anthropologist to realize the vast majority of them wouldn't use drugs if they had access to real girlfriends, dance clubs and parties, and other healthy joys of life which are forbidden here.
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Post by squatty on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:58 pm

tilles wrote:
itlives wrote:
What is in those hookah's? Is pot or hash or opium legal over there?

Aren't hookahs regular waterpipes/shishas ? I mean I own a pretty good one and i'm into that stuff...and you smoke special tobacco with it. Shisha smokers get really pissed if people ( what most of the people do) think you're doing something illegal just because you smoke a shisha etc ;)
Yeah that's right, as I mentioned no one uses a hookah for smoking opium or pot here, people just use it for tobacco.
Although I used to smoke hash with a hookah, but hey I smoked hash with pretty much anything at hand, my best device was a pyrex lab pipette XD
Iranians respect hookah, and have special traditions about using it.
They use one hookah for only one brand of tobacco, they marry the hookah monogamously to that brand of tobacco.
And a bizzare tradition is, if someone enters a Coffeehouse (Shops where prepared hookahs are served to customers), and lightens his cigarette by the hot charocals of a hookah, it's like he had intercourse with mothers and sisters of all people present at the coffeehouse with that deed, and thus they stab him to death, and no one gets convicted of murder when say, 30 people stab someone to death, because no one alone directly killed the person.
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Post by itlives on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:33 pm

Yeah... I think I'll stay smoke- free.. over here.
Those people really should leave the 14th century behind...
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Post by squatty on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:24 pm

Muslims haven't passed their medieval times yet, the calender here is 1392... I'm not kidding
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Post by itlives on Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:19 pm

And the barbarians are knocking on the door.
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Post by Dave on Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:31 pm

It only makes sense that they wouldn't use the Gregorian calendar.
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Post by CheesedogTheFirst on Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:38 am

It makes sense in a way. The Muslim countries were powerful and progressive in the middle ages, way more advanced then the western countries in science, medicine, astronomy, etc. Then religious fundamentalism coupled with some military misadventures lead to their long decline from advanced civilization to third world hell-holes.
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