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¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

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¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by Dave on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:35 am

Squatty wrote:"Onke kul dorad ce nadorad, ow onke kul nadorad ce dorad?"
Help: onke = one who | kul = yoke (isn't it cool? :chef: ) | dorad = have | ce = what | nadorad = not have | ow = and
Now go figure out the meaning :mrgreen:

Sorry dude, it ain't a happenin'. Syntax is alien, language is unknown and there are too many undefined variables.

The best guess I can make, however, is that it's Russian and is supposed to look like this: Онке кул дорад це надорад, оw онке кул надорад це дорад

But I have no idea if I'm right, nor have I any way of piecing together the meaning - at least not in a manner that seems to create a meaningful statement in English. Throw me a bone?

Anyway, добре загадка :shrug:
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by squatty on Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:15 pm

The language is Tajik (central Asian Persian)

The meaning is pretty clear isn't it? perhaps I think so because I know what it means already 8)

A tip: kul = yoke = massive traps+neck
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by squatty on Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:18 pm

One who + yoke + have + what + not have + and + one who + yoke + not have + what + have
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by Dave on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:57 pm

From one polyglot to another, I must say I'm surprised that you don't realize that there is simply not enough information; you still have not provided a syntactical key to solving the statement. The collection of English words you provided above does nothing more than give the meaning of individual words, not their relationships to one another, which would be necessary for the sentence to have a unified meaning.

Anyway, maybe I'm the only one whose enough of a lingua-geek to be trying to solve this, but I just can't convert this into a meaningful sentence in English without knowing Tajik grammar rules.

Please give me a Rosetta Stone consisting of three or four Tajik Sentences and their contextual (not literal word for word) translation. That will help me work it out better. Word for word translation is almost never enough.
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Still puzzled...

Post by 98poundweakling on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:31 pm

Dave.cyco wrote:
Squatty wrote:"Onke kul dorad ce nadorad, ow onke kul nadorad ce dorad?"
Help: onke = one who | kul = yoke (isn't it cool? :chef: ) | dorad = have | ce = what | nadorad = not have | ow = and
Now go figure out the meaning :mrgreen:

Sorry dude, it ain't a happenin'.

I've been trying to figure this out as well. Seems the phrase is reversed at the end. Is yoke a verb or noun here? My guess is that this word is the key to making the phrase work. So now, what is this egg yoke/local yokal/yoke of oxen, doing to yoke this sentence together? :?: ... :grrr!: ... :?: ... :grrr!: ... :?: ........ :zerk:
Do we get another clue?
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by Dave on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:32 pm

From his post above, it's a noun.

Squatty wrote:A tip: kul = yoke = massive traps+neck
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by squatty on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:34 am

How about this one?

One who + have + yoke + what + not have + and + one who + not have + yoke + what + have?
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by squatty on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:41 am

I don't know what you mean by "give me a Rosetta Stone" Dave.
I know it is some kind of dictionary (am I right?), but don't get the idea. you mean some Tajik sentences with English translation?

Check this out, here exists some examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_grammar
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by Dave on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:48 am

Yeah "Rosetta Stone" just means examples of text shown in both languages from which a student can make an extrapolation.

I'll check it out.
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Still something missing...

Post by 98poundweakling on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:26 pm

SSG wrote:How about this one?

One who + have + yoke + what + not have + and + one who + not have + yoke + what + have?
For myself, there is still something missing here that hinders my slowness from getting it.
I'm going to assume the first "have" is really "has", and the same for "and + one who + not have": and one who has not (or, doesn't have).

But what about the other two "have's"? Have is used in different numbers and persons: I have, you have, we have, they have... Is this a comparison of what you have and I do not have? Still stumped. Hummpf...

This reminds me of a sudoku in a local Chinese paper that I tried to solve. In the end, I found out that they had printed it with a mistake. :grrr!:
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by MF! on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:08 pm

this hurt my brain.....
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Post by Cesar on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:17 pm

MF! wrote:this hurt my brain.....

I am so confused...I agree MF...Brains DOMS
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by squatty on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:30 pm

lol Sorry guys, didn't know it would be so confusing :D
A little help, this actually was some kind of elitist motto of the wrestlers I trained with when there was talk of bodybuilding and developing big biceps and chests. said jokingly each time. together with some other mottos. but I liked this one so much.

The actual thing they said in Persian was:
Unike kul dare cici nadare o unike kul nadare cici dare??

It is some kind of sarcasm.
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by Dave on Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:54 pm

Okay Squat Gnome, just tell us the meaning already please. :|
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by Guest on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:42 pm

Maybee it's just; He who has, has what he who does not have?
At least that's the way the meaning looks to me. Oops the Inner Geeks comin out. :toothy:

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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by CheesedogTheFirst on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:18 am

It says:

Swole traps are the bomb.

That is all. :mrgreen:
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Post by Dave on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:21 am

I should have known. :oops:
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Re: ¿ Onke kul dorad ce nadorad ?

Post by squatty on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:34 am

Cheesedog wrote:It says:

Swole traps are the bomb.

That is all. :mrgreen:
Bravo :]

I think in English it means:
One who have a massive yoke, what is it that he doesn't have?? and one who doesn't have a massive yoke, what it is that he have?

Or person with big traps has everything, whereas person who doesn't, have nothing.

or traps build or break a physique

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Post by CheesedogTheFirst on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:55 am

(almost) Pure guess on my part! :roll:
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