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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Journeyman on Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:27 pm

Bissen wrote:I can imagine one's adductors might get worked pretty well with the sumo; you feet are turning quite a bit outwards, right?

Yep, almost all the way out, for me.

How's the TUT thing feeling?
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:43 am

TUT feeling good. I like it. It hits my weak spots, and I really feel it's helping me fix my lower back, which tended to curve even when squatting 60's. I'm not too confident saying anything drastic, as I haven't been doing regular strength training (and definitely not squats) for that long already.

However, TUT does good for fatiguing! lol
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:16 am

Out to dinner with parents and grandmom (Chinese/Japanese), then directly to karate.

Kiba-dachi terrorism. Dangit, dem thighs were burning! Been quite a while since I've done that stuff. Though I comforted myself that everyone else, not all in quite as low a stance, suffered as much as I :mrgreen:
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Dave on Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:12 pm

Karate right after dinner?

I tried to go to kickboxing right after dinner a long time ago and learned quickly NEVER to do that. I was on the verge of puking, but managed to hold it in, but only by reducing training intensity (not a very good situation). But we did more high impact stuff (like burpees and jump rope) than I ever did at karate.
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:53 pm

Karate at our dojo is rarely very hard. No burpees and the like.

And I had made sure not to eat too much, as I know all too well how very uncomfortable it can get :lol:
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:47 pm

So, as the procrastinator I am, I didn't get my ass to the gym until 8pm. *SIGH*

Well, I got stuff done. Good stuff, too! Warming up with front squats, I realized I was already at 65kg, which felt kinda easy. So I got adventurous... Worked up to a heavy single!

Front squat
@75kg: 1, @80kg: 1, 85kg: 1
THAT'S THREE PR's IN THE SAME WORKOUT!
Then 4x5@65kg
@50kg: 3x4, TUT ~35-40s

Chinups
+5kg: 2x5
BW: 1x4+1
Pulldowns
@45kg: 3x4, TUT ~45s

DL@105kg: 5x2
RDL@85kg: 3x5, slow reps, butform really sucked!

Dips
+10kg: 5 + 6 + 5 + 4½
BW: 4½ + 4 + 4½ (all assisted), TUT ~40s

A tad of calf work. Done.

I squat so hard I give myself nosebleeds... do you know how hard it is to focus for the rest of a workout, while blood just won't stop gushing out your face? :lol:

After the squats, I jumped very high in the air, and I think I shouted a little too. I always have music in my ears, so I'm not sure how loud it was.
After the 80kg I thought: "Hmm... it wasn't THAT hard... I could go for 82.5kg. Nah, ya know, screw it! I'mma go for 85!"
-And so I did.
I unracked (from the dip station that is my squat rack, lol), stepped back and thought "oh, this feels kinda heavy...", squatted down, started pushing UP. I got stuck for a few seconds, but thought "shit, I can't let go - the floor is concrete - I'm gonna smash the whole thing, not to mention probably make a lot of noise!" (gym is in hospital basement) - so I didn't really have any choice but to get the bar up there.

I couldn't really believe it. I kept checking the plates - I must have miscalculated. But nope, there was indeed 85kg in total :zaru:

Negative stuff, which I haven't mentioned much of lately... mum's back at binging on the bottle. I've caught her so many times, and one the first few times, I told my dad, who confronted my mum. "Oh no, I don't drink!" was her answer... Makes me so pissed and it affects how I act around her.
It doesn't matter what time of the day. She's obviously doesn't want any help for it.

I'm split. I like my dad, and like spending time with him, the dogs, the horses, helping out with the practical stuff he can't do, but I can barely look at my mom. I hate when she opens her mouth. Much of what she says is nonsense or just stupid.

I hate feeling this way about my mom, but she doesn't give me a choice. Sure, she sees a psychologist, that's cool and all, but she doesn't do shit to solve anything for herself.

Sorry I'm ranting. I don't have a lot of people to discuss it with...
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Journeyman on Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:27 pm

Sweet work on the PR!

And, sorry about your mom... at some point she just has to accept that 1. she does have a problem and 2. she does need help.... If nothing else some sort of family intervention might be necessary when the current situation becomes untenable. I think I mentioned that before but it's really the only course I see :/
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by itlives on Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:46 pm

Journeyman wrote:Sweet work on the PR!

And, sorry about your mom... at some point she just has to accept that 1. she does have a problem and 2. she does need help.... If nothing else some sort of family intervention might be necessary when the current situation becomes untenable. I think I mentioned that before but it's really the only course I see :/
And, you can talk to me anytime of course!

I just emphasized the she because it not your problem. I know it affects you. She affects everyone around her - like any addicted person does.
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:37 am

Yes, I know it's no my problem. Luckily, I'm good at the out of sight, out of mind thing. It pretty much only bothers me when I'm in it.

It's just really, really annoying that she's drunk and slightly embarrassing when you're out to dinner; though it's probably not as apparent to people to don't know her, and wouldn't know how she is normally.

It's been more than three years now. We don't know what it takes to make her take action for more than just the depression... she thinks it's shameful.
Grow up.

Well, soon I'm in Japan, and I won't have to be around her. Though I do feel kinda sorry for my dad. And the dogs. Now they won't get walked and played with as much :geg:
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:24 pm

Today has just been a loooong walk with the dogs and a bit of soccer in the PM. Didn't feel super geared, and it wasn't quite as funny as last time :(
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:53 pm

Full schedule today!

5.30AM: Rise'n'shine! Feed horsies.
6.45: Leave house with dad (1½h drive)
8.00: drop dad off at work, steal the car to Aarhus to my apartment where I had a few hours before going to my doc to get a blood sample; time was spent practicing kanji.
10.45: Blood sample - go to school to copy some papers; got to school, realized I'd left the papers in the apartment (:wth:), back and fetch, back to schoo, copy.
13.30 ish: Workout
15.30 ish, leave gym, fetch dad (30min drive), drive home (1½h)
18.00: home, drunk mom (meh)

I'm freakishly tired; about 5 hours of sleep the past 3 nights. Doh...

Anyways, here's what I did at the gym:

WU: Overhead squats - something I haven't done in ages! :zaru:
Heavy single - PR at 54kg. Went for 59kg (cos I'm clever like dat), failed once and didn't try again)

Front squats
@70kg: 4
@65: 2x5
@50kg: 2x5, TUT~35s
@45kg: 1x5, TUT~45s
Legs freakishly busted, but I'm no really surprised after last workout, which was both high intensity and high volume, and then soccer yesterday.

DL
@85: 5
@95: 5
@75: 5
Lower back FRIED! I feel I may be doing too many DLs, but I don't know. Today was just worse fatigue than I've ever experienced with DLs; kinda painful.

Ring circuit
2x: MU->2 wide dips -> 2 pr. SS -> one leg tuck BL -> tuck FL
Tried a third round, but only got like halfway through.

GHR (bend at hip)
3x5

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Post by itlives on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:16 pm

If that's your typical day, you're much stronger than I imagined!

Good job putting in the work around all that life going on!
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Post by Journeyman on Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:51 pm

THAT--is a full work day. Good job on OHS!
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:04 am

itlives wrote:If that's your typical day, you're much stronger than I imagined!

Good job putting in the work around all that life going on!
Is that referring to my day's schedule or my workout?

Regardless, this was indeed not a typical day at all!
Most of my days, at least atm, go something like:

8AM ish: Wake up, get up, turn on PC - HELLOOOO INTERWEBZ! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I really have nothing much to do throughout most days. Some odd stuff from time to time, soccer, karate, my own training, but rarely anything set.
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Post by itlives on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:49 pm

I was referring to the whole day. It was a lot of going and doing!
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Post by Bissen on Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:46 am

Ah, well, yeah, not a typical day ;)

Been sluggish (just tired/fatigued); may have been under-eating, but in either case I didn't really do anything on Tuesday.

However, I did get some pretty good stuff done yesterday.

Front squat
@70kg: 3x5
@50kg: 4x4, TUT~40s

OHP
@50kg: 2
@45kg: 2
(DB)@2x17: 2x5
@2x12kg: 3x4, TUT~40s

RDL
@85kg: 5
@90kg: 3x5

Body levers aka dragon flags
3x5, one leg tucked

Tried starting some pullups, but never got anywhere! I felt SO incredibly weak in my pulls in particular - fatigued grip! Did a few DB rows.
Happy with the squatting, though!
At the OHPs I just instictively thought: "Hm, I usually do working sets at 50kg... *loading* wow, it does feel heavy today... don't think I can do 5 reps with this!" - and then I realized 50kg was my heavy single/max-ish. lol
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Post by Bissen on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:05 pm

Tonight, just karate - but we did hockey for warmup! :zaru: We weren't very many (class moved half an hour), so it was 4 on 4, I think.
15-20min of that, and then free kata. Re-learned Bassai Dai and polished and fine-tuned Heian Godan. Not that I need either...
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Dave on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:07 pm

I never liked forms, beyond their use as a warm up or stretch. Not practical enough (in terms of self defense, which was my main reason for doing MAs) for my liking - or at least I never had a teacher who adequately demonstrated the link between form and practice. I preferred live sparring - but even this was never quite enough.
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

True, they're totally inefficient for... anything! However, I kinda like it, when I'm in the right "mode". I like the aesthetics and the technique it requires. I like going into the details, and needing to really concentrate; at least at times. I can shut out any other thoughts when I do it.

But when it comes down to longer-term stuff, I'm definitely way more into stuff like grappling!
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:06 pm

Late-ish night workout again.

Front squat
@70kg: 4x3 (newbie gains continue!)
@50kg: 3x5, TUT~40s

2-DB Bench
@2x25: 6
@2x27: 4½ (managed to lock out right, but was an inch from locking out the left... squeezing that last rep for what seemed like 10 seconds)
@2x25: 4 (I think... can't be bothered to get the paper, lol)

Pushups
Regular: 2x4, TUT~40s
Wide: 2x4, TUT~40s

RDL (or stiff leg... IDK)
@85kg: 4x5, TUT~40s

1-DB row
@30kg: 3x5/arm, no momentum
@17kg: 1x5/arm, TUT~40s

BW row, assis.
3x5, TUT~40s

Pulldowns
@35-45kg: 3x4, TUT~40-45s
These were just some extra work, cos I didn't do pullups last workout.

A tiny bit of calf work, a little mobility, and I was done.
Good sqautting today (again :zaru:)
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Post by Dave on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:04 am

Yeah definitely keep up that front squatting, you're doing great!
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Post by Bissen on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:30 am

I'm guessing I'm only "unlocking" my leg strength; I'm interested in finding when I'll stall. I don't think it'll take long :P
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Post by Dave on Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:06 pm

Vary some of your sessions into the higher rep range too and you might progress a little further than you would otherwise.
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Post by Bissen on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:51 pm

Well, that's kinda what the TUT sets do.
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Post by itlives on Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:30 pm

How do you do the TUT sets?
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Post by Bissen on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:15 pm

Usually I go for a 5 second descent and a 5 second ascent. It's supposed to be more effective for joints, strengthening the small stabilizers and hypertrophy than just high rep. You REALLY get to know your weak spots when you do super slow reps.
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Post by itlives on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:58 pm

I know you guys were talking about it but I didn't get in on it. Thanks for the easy explanation ! Sound like a good thing!
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Post by Dave on Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:24 pm

I did some TUT pushups recently. Not logged though. But yeah I'm good for 20 pushups at the drop of a hat, but these TUT pushups are hard enough to get through 5 if I do them slow enough.

Still, a little fast high rep work will bring training stimulus to the table that slow TUT work can't and vice versa.
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Post by itlives on Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:45 pm

Dave.cyco wrote:I did some TUT pushups recently. Not logged though. But yeah I'm good for 20 pushups at the drop of a hat, but these TUT pushups are hard enough to get through 5 if I do them slow enough.

Still, a little fast high rep work will bring training stimulus to the table that slow TUT work can't and vice versa.

I agree! TUT sounds like the "super slow" stuff I read about a while back. The super slow was more like 20 seconds up/ down. I don't think I'd like that! I gotta be moving!
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Post by Bissen on Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:43 pm

Super slow, yup! I actually don't know about the different outcomes of high+fast rep vs. low+slow rep work.

Anyways, I did get a workout in today... which is yesterday. Kind of. Technically, today, as I started it post midnight.

You know I go to a gym at the hospital, right? After 9.30pm, I can't enter where I usually do, so I tried another near-by door.
I'm not really that familiar with the hospital, and it doesn't really make it better that the gym is located in the basement. I entered at the psychiatric department... can you imagine how very exciting it is walking around the basement corridors of that department, post midnight, knowing fully about what people they keep there? (Remember my mom works at that department?)
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I ended up thinking "this... isn't... I don't know where to go. I'll go back and enter another door... yeah."
- And so I did. This time, walking down a narrow staircase, reaching a small, low door, and stepping down into a corridor I'd seen before... OH! I'd always wondered where that door led, looking at it from the other side :zaru:

So I got to the gym after all, and after a looooong intro, here's what happened:

Front squat
@75kg: 1x5
@70kg: 5, 5
@50kg: 5, 5, 5, TUT~40s + 45s + 45s

Dips
+10kg: 6, 5, 5

Diamond PUs
3x 3 full + (1 full descent + knee ascent)

DL
@95kg: 3x5

RDL
@90kg: 5, TUT ~40s
@85kg: 2x5, TUT ~40s

Chins
BW: 3, 4, 4
HOLY CWAP, WHAT DAFUDGE HAPPENED TO MY PULLING STRENGTH?! :wth:

Static chin holds (top pos.)
BW: 40s + 5s neg., 2x(30s + 5s neg.)

Maaaaaannnn... dat pullin' sucks BAD! :uwah:

Ohwell...
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Post by itlives on Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:30 pm

You lose it fast! Got to stay on it!
On the other hand, the stuff you have been working is looking good!
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Post by Bissen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:53 am

I just came to a realization yesterday...

I rarely EVER get on the scale, since it can trigger very negative emotions in me... but there it was, and I was in a weak moment.

154lbs! :why?!: :wth: :think: Dafudge happened? I don't know if I have any change in body composition. I'm generally a very bad judge at that.
May explain some of my trouble with pulling, though. I need to start working on it... or drop a few pounds... or both.
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Post by itlives on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:03 am

You're fairly tall though aren't you?
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Post by Bissen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:08 am

Not really... a little over 5'6"
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Post by Dave on Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:39 pm

Funny, I'm usually stronger at pullups when I'm heavier... or do I get heavier when I do lots of pullups? :P
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Post by Bissen on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:29 pm

My problem is I simply don't DO enough pullups! Dangit...

Well, I should be able to re-gain it pretty fast... I hope :geg:
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Dave on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:32 pm

Nothin to it... but to do it! ;)
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Journeyman on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:15 pm

Bissen wrote:My problem is I simply don't DO enough pullups! Dangit...

Well, I should be able to re-gain it pretty fast... I hope :geg:

Do more! Just start incorporating them into your warmup/cooldown or do a few sets in between other exercises... you can boost overall volume pretty quickly this way.
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Post by Bissen on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:29 pm

As the good man said - done. I did a few sets of pullups/chinups before starting the other work today - I hadn't lost it all after all (phew!).

I did my workout at a non-ridiculous time of day, today :zaru:

Front squats
@75kg: 5
@70kg: 2x5
@50kg: 3x4, TUT~40s each

PPP
3x5, fingers to the side, back and in between

2-DB Bench
@2x25kg: 2x5 + 1x4 (last rep was SQUEEZED out! Took me like 5 seconds, lol!)

Wide pushups
2x3½ full + last press on knees, TUT~40s
1x2½ + 1½ on knees, lol, TUT~40s

DL
@50kg (I think): 3x15, TUT~45s (FRY DEM GLUTES!)

BB rows
@65kg: 3x5, trying to eliminate momentum

1-DB row
@12kg: 2x5/arm, TUT~40s
BW row: 2x4-5, TUT~40s

1x10 1-leg tuck dragon flags + bit of shoulder mobility stuff.
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Dave on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:35 pm

Bissen wrote:I did my workout at a non-ridiculous time of day

Boooo-riiing. Haha totally kidding. :mrgreen: Nice session. Keep hitting those pullups.
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:03 pm

I must admit, walking around the psychiatric department, not really knowing where I am or should go, makes it a little more interesting... maybe it's a way to serve myself some adrenaline pre workout?
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Post by Bissen on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:43 pm

Yesterday was just karate. At the end of the class, our teacher had us race from one side of the dojo, do 10 pushups, race back, 8, race, 6, race, 4, race, 2 (that degree of detail was just unnecessary...) - finished no. 2

Today, I decided I'd try go pay my old psych a visit (at her workplace, obviously). Already talked to her about it, so no crossing lines or whatever.

Anyways, I decided to ride my bike, as the snow is gone. I park my bike, lock it, and then horror strikes me... my keys are in my other jacket :wth:

Oh well, I enter the building, enter the well-known reception, and a lady greets me, asking if I have an appointment... "well no, I'm just here to say hi to Lene", "oh, well, I'm afraid the whole house is empty by now..." :why?!:
- Of course, as it's Friday, people are off work earlier. Meh.

Very well, I'll just walk WITH MY BIKE, to the hospital and work out. People passing me looked at me as if I was cwazy; well... I do speak along the stuff I listen to on my mp3-player, and walking with a bike on your shoulder isn't particularly discrete...

Got to the hospital gym, got working.

Front squat
@75kg: 5
@70kg: 2x5
@50kg: 3x4, TUT~40s + 1x12, TUT~30s

Pullups
@BW: 5 + 5 wide + 3 reg. + 1½ (sigh...)

Pulldowns
@45kg: 4 wide + 4 reg. + 4 wide, TUT~40-45s

RDLs (or stiff-legged, I don't know...)
@70kg: 10 + 11 + 12, TUT~40-45s

2-DB OHP
@2x17kg: 5
@2x20kg: 3x5
@2x12kg: 2x5 + 1x4, TUT~40-45s

Mobility and done. Walk home, taking about an hour. My feet were COLD! :why?!:
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Dave on Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:23 pm

Sometimes a good walk is just what the body needs. I went for an hour walk last night and I feel another coming on as I type this!
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:16 pm

Been in Aarhus (my flat) for the last week, to get some paperwork done - no interwebz.

The stress is really creeping up on me! There's been so much trouble, and it's not even sorted yet - and I plan on flying in 1½ weeks! :why?!:

The stress tires me out; I'm fatigued, though I've been doing quite a bit of commuting by bike, tried out the new GB stuff I bought, and boy, was I ever humbled! Will definitely keep doing it!
Also been going for a lot of walks with a good pal and a good girlfriend. We've known each other all our lives, growing up as neighbors, being in the same class. Our sisters also played together, being they are the exact (down to birth date) same age. Sadly, the big sister is schizophrenic, and has been for years now. Badly so.

Her little sister, Susan, my good friend, had a anxiety attack/panic attack (what're they called?) one and a half month ago. She walked around 24/7 thinking she was gonna die. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been. However, she's seeing her doctor, and is setting up treatment with a psychologist, so I believe she'll get it somewhat sorted. She's always been slightly paranoid, and her family history has a lot of mental sickness, so it's not coming out of nowhere. Her uncle, also schizophrenic, killed himself some years ago, her parents and brother are also quite paranoid and nervous, and then her sister, as mentioned.

If I experience earthquakes or the like, I can't tell her. In fact, I've been strictly instructed NOT to tell her about anything negative :P

It's not gonna affect my trip, though. I'll get updates from her, and she will from me, and knowing there's action being taken, I have no worries. Of course I feel sorry for her, but that doesn't help her the least.

A not-so-quick update from here, but I needed it out. Still stressed about the paperwork, but it'll work out. For some reason, it tends to work out for me ;)
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Dave on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:12 pm

Just remember to breathe my friend, and know that all will be well. You are definitely ready for this. :nod:
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Post by itlives on Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:26 pm

Stress does that to a person! Talk about a four-letter word! :P

As Dave said, you can do it! I'm excited for you!

Bummer about your friend, though. My daughter had a panic attack once -not good.
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Re: Room to Improve

Post by Bissen on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:06 pm

Sad to say "Long time - no workouts" :geg:

Well, I'm leaving Denmark on Tuesday. I still haven't received my visa, but I really hope I get it within this week. Applied Monday.
Other than that, paper work is done with. I just need to pack.

I'm seriously thinking of bringing my gymnastics rings. I think they could come in REALLY handy. I have an awesome idea of hanging them up at a public place like a playground or something, and maybe have a lot of local children come hang out with me. That could be so much fun!
I'll be living in a town called Funabashi in the Chiba prefecture.

On the home front... well :geg:

Every single evening, my mother complains about to my father. Tonight she got directly nasty. I only overheard it, so I believe she didn't know I actually know. I've never heard her talk that way to or about my dad. She was drunk/tipsy when she said it, but you know the saying "you get the truth from children and drunk people"... or maybe you don't, but it's a Danish saying, anyways.
He's going on his traditional fishing trip with some old school mates, and she b**** about it. I feel like telling her to go on a F'ing trip on her own, but she doesn't do that either! Dafuq do you want?! You can't give him a fishing trip?! :wth:
*sigh*

I am SO ready to go and get out of here, though I feel very sorry for my dad, having to handle my mom all on his own :( I know it isn't my responsibility, but she can't leave him alone.

Ohwell, soon, I'll be in Japan where it's currently about 15-20 degC warmer than in DK, having a blast eating my belly full of fishy sushi and stinky sticky beans (nattou - look it up). Needless to say, I'm looking forward!
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Post by Dave on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:10 pm

Stinky sticky beans eh? Who wouldn't be excited! :P
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Post by Bissen on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:12 pm

I'm serious, it's one of my favorite Japanese foods! Full of vitamin K2 which is hard to get in adequate quantities in other foods. I believe it is to be found in kale and probably spinach as well, but nattou is generally super awesome (fermentation crushes a lot of the nastiness in soybeans)
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Post by Dave on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:28 pm

Oh I don't doubt it, I was just saying that the description (you have to admit!) is pretty funny! Stinky sticky beans. :lol: :up:
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