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Post by MF! on Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:51 am

Just need some quick advice from any handyman/electrician out there.

The place I'm at is an old house and is wired old school, 2 pronged outlets with no ground cable. I found this out when I asked the landlord to switch up outlets to a 3 pronged outlet, which I'm currently using. I've been trying to do as much research as I can about this, but I'm still confused and need some third and fourth opinions from anyone that might have the knowledge...

1) am I ok to use the new 3 pronged outlet with just the "hot" and "neutral" wire and no grounding wire?
2) does using a GFCI outlet (w/o ground) provide that much safety?
3) if i use a surge protector power bar (currently what I'm doing) on the regular 3 pronged outlet w/o ground, will I be as safe as if i was using a GFCI?
4) does a surge protected power + GFCI outlet (w/o ground) = maximum safety?

most of my info is coming from wikipedia and this link (below). any info would be really helpful

http://www.handymanusa.com/articles/ground1.html
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Post by Brahma Bill on Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:09 am

Are you worried about getting shocked? or just trying to protect your electronics?

1. yes
2. yes - if there's a problem it will trip - you need the GFI in wet areas - the bathrooms and kitchen
3. The GFI won't protect against a power surge.
4. Depends, The surge protector will protect your electronics from a power surge. The GFI will protect you from getting "bit" if there's a fault.
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Post by MF! on Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:35 pm

I'm more worried about getting shocked and/or causing a fire hazard. There are times where I leave stuff plugged in overnight or during the day (i.e. my computer) and I didn't want to put the house at risk if it was unattended. Also don't want to be shocked while using my my gear.

Would you say its still worth it to make the change over to the GFI?
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Post by Brahma Bill on Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:52 pm

MF! wrote:I'm more worried about getting shocked and/or causing a fire hazard. There are times where I leave stuff plugged in overnight or during the day (i.e. my computer) and I didn't want to put the house at risk if it was unattended. Also don't want to be shocked while using my my gear.

Would you say its still worth it to make the change over to the GFI?
The electronics should be OK if you get a good surge protector (we're talking about the ones with a guarantee, not a power strip, they run about $30.00 at the hardware store)

Definitely get a GFI in the wet areas. As far as fire hazard goes, it depends more on the wiring itself than the grounding or lack there of.

Does the house have fuses? Or does it have a breaker box?
Is it copper wiring or aluminum?
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Post by Rix on Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:52 pm

American electrics sound so different to uk electrics, im a qualified electrician and i know nothing of GFI's :p the house should generally have a fuse or breaker as B Bill said, so that should protect you from anything bad. i only know about RCB or MCB or MRCB's lol
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Post by Brahma Bill on Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:34 pm

GFI = Ground Fault Interruptor - the outlet itself has a reset switch and will kick out if it shorts or gets wet. Over here you have to have one if an outlet is within five feet of a sink. Like every thing else, you've probably got a different name for it, hard to believe it's the same language sometimes
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Post by Brahma Bill on Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:39 pm

MF, I should add that although I'm a licensed contractor, I'm not a licensed electrician.
If you still don't have a warm fuzzy feeling you should call an electrician in.
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Post by Rix on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:05 pm

MCB we call that
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Post by MF! on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:39 pm

Bill: many thanks. I've already picked up the GFI but was waiting for opinions before I switched it up. I'm not sure what the wiring is made of (pretty sure i didnt see copper), I think I'll just keep it as is. I've already hassled the guy for so much, and if installing a GFI doesnt make a huge amount of difference then I'll just save the cash i guess. I have a feeling that the other outlets around the house are likely equipped the same way, so I wont fret about it.
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Post by GreekPT on Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:30 am

Yo you MF! This probably isn't the right place to post this but it's the most current thread you have going and I don't want you to miss this. Maybe you've seen it already.

WARNING - music has language which is offensive (to some).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIsWcjh5DeE&feature=youtu.be

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Post by MF! on Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:02 am

GreekPT wrote:Yo you MF!  This probably isn't the right place to post this but it's the most current thread you have going and I don't want you to miss this.  Maybe you've seen it already.

WARNING - music has language which is offensive (to some).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIsWcjh5DeE&feature=youtu.be
yep i've seen this.... russians have most of us beat. *welp*
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Post by MF! on Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:03 am

btw greek i might start up a new training log. going to be starting a new program soon, just tryna decide which one I want to follow.
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