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Post by Cesar on Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:54 pm

Dan John offers that often we are not balanced in out life - work, play, rest, pray.

calibrate your compass

This is a constant reminder and something that we often take for granted in our busy lives.
I need to keep this in mind often.
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Dave on Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:36 pm

Thanks for this!
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Cesar on Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:53 pm

No worries!
I made sense and figured it might help others.
I read up on a site called AHA parenting
I try to read up on it and have found when I read it - it is like my praying - it helps me get centered, be mindful and in the moment when I am with the boys. If I have not read a post in a while, I notice that i have lost my bearings and I am not connected to my wife and kids.
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Iliander on Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:06 pm

life is not about "balance", it's about maximizing

yes some things are about balance but people misuse the word to be lazy... same with the misused word "moderation"
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Dave on Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:13 pm

Dan John wrote:If you work too much, you'll ignore important things and "burn out." If you rest too much, you'll become slothful and ignore real living. If you play too much, you'll be like the grasshopper from Aesop's tale who played all summer, instead of storing food, and starved to death in winter as a result.

Are you even responding to the article? Could you please explain your comment and how it relates to the article, otherwise it looks like you didn't even read it but simply went off on the word "balance".
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Iliander on Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:13 pm

Dave wrote:
Dan John wrote:If you work too much, you'll ignore important things and "burn out." If you rest too much, you'll become slothful and ignore real living. If you play too much, you'll be like the grasshopper from Aesop's tale who played all summer, instead of storing food, and starved to death in winter as a result.

Are you even responding to the article?  Could you please explain your comment and how it relates to the article, otherwise it looks like you didn't even read it but simply went off on the word "balance".
there is no need for "play". also you need to maximize work and minimize rest that's how you get optimal result... because when you rest you don't work...

people spend too much time trying to "balance" things instead of optimizing every thing.

a LOT of things i dislike about the article.
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Cesar on Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:45 pm

what's your definition of PLAY?
I agree with you in the sense that some not all lend themselves to PLAY such as going out to the bar/pub, sitting around doing nothing but lounging all day as their play. My understanding of the use of the word play is fun activities that are healthy including PLAYing with my kids for example, interacting with others in a safe healthy way in efforts to minimize stress, improve socialization, slowing down enough to admire life and its wonders.
The idea of the article IMO is to find a healthy balance between all 4 parts in order to positively impact my/your life - by OPTIMIZING work - being productive whatever that means to you, play- stress relief, enjoying life and the company of your loved ones, rest - recharge batteries not just sleeping - maybe finding a positive outlet to let your mind and body "rest" and lastly pray can be taken in multiple ways.  Some will go to church, congregation what have you  - others will go into nature, find quietness and becoming one with its environment, enjoying a hobby.  Finding Balance - whatever that means to that individual.
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Dave on Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:18 pm

I seem to recall a parable of Jesus in which there was a prodigal son.  And I also recall that the father in this parable had his household make merry (i.e. play!) when the prodigal son returned.  I also seem to recall that Jesus himself was present at a wedding feast and when they were running out of wine, miraculously changed water into wine so they could carry on with the festivities.  Maybe he should have been at his work bench making tables and chairs instead?  I dare not say so!
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Cesar on Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:32 pm

I remember the prodigal son. I read it to Cesar when he was little.
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by ranger_x3 on Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:40 am

Iliander wrote:
there is no need for "play". also you need to maximize work and minimize rest that's how you get optimal result... because when you rest you don't work...

people spend too much time trying to "balance" things instead of optimizing every thing.

a LOT of things i dislike about the article.

I think I'm as curious as Cesar is about your definition of play as it relates to the article. I would consider sitting down to read an interesting book to be play. Checking out videos on youtube is play. Playing a game of pickup soccer is play. Going to the bar to have a couple beers while socializing is play. Once you address this I think it'll make for a much more valuable discussion.

Maximizing work while minimizing rest is a recipe for disaster. By not resting enough you don't recover fully which keeps you from increasing your maximal work output. Instead, you'll probably injure yourself, or at least develop some manageable pain that doesn't go away until you take time to rest.

I'm not sure where you're going with your optimizing versus balancing point, but the process of balance comes from optimizing each part that needs to be balanced as part of a whole. This goes back to my last point. In order to maximize work output you need to balance work with rest. This balance is found by optimizing both work and rest so that you are working the body enough to provide a reason for it to adapt while giving yourself enough recovery to allow the body to adapt.

And a quote, not sure from where, that I thought of as soon as I opened the thread.
- All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Journeyman on Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:45 am

As usual, Dan is on point. Great article.
I might choose to arrange or define my life a bit differently than his list, maybe something like

-schoolwork
-relationships
-training
-rest
-play

Instead of his more varied breakdown. And I do believe in optimization, but optimization of any one element comes from proper balance with the others, and in general. e.g. my training will be more productive if I also rest enough, my work will be more efficient if I balance it out with some form of mental 'play', I will be able to function better physically, mentally, and emotionally if I am maintaining good healthy relationships with friends, etc.

And ranger is definitely right as far as it not being 'optimal' to minimize certain elements.
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Re: Finding Balance

Post by Cesar on Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:44 am

Ranger and JMan - good points!
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